REBUTTAL: 7 Bible Quotes Supporting Gay Relationships
I was severely grieved in my spirit and frankly, flatout angry, when I learned about the Youtube video “7 Bible Quotes Supporting Gay Relationships.” The web show is hosted by lesbian vlogger, Arielle Scarcella featuring LGBT activist, Matthew Vines. Vines is the author of God and the Gay Christian which explains “how you can reconcile being gay with believing in the Bible.” Quite obviously, you cannot “reconcile” living a lifestyle of what God calls an abomination with the Word and blessings of God. IT’S NOT POSSIBLE.
We cannot cut down, twist, and taint the Word of God to suit our sinful desires. Let GOD be true and EVERY MAN a liar--including me!! If what I say doesn’t line up with the Bible, then I’m a liar--plain and simple. It doesn’t matter what my worldview is, it doesn’t matter what my personal experiences “prove,” and it doesn’t matter if I have the best of intentions. If you taint and twist the Word of God, then you are a liar and a false teacher and you come under a curse.
The Apostle Paul said this:
“I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ. ”
So with this in mind, I’ll take the video point-by-point and tell you what the Bible REALLY says.
1) Condemning same-sex relationships is harmful to the LGBT community.
These days, it seems the only place where pain for the greater good seems acceptable is the gym. Far too many people, even Christians, have bought into the lie that if a thing FEELS bad it must BE bad which is absolutely untrue.
Jesus was subjected to an illegal trial, was struck in the face, beat down, whipped, had a crown of long thorns plunged into His skull, carried the cross for miles, and then finally dyed on the cross so we could acknowledge, accept, and benefit from His sacrifice. It didn’t FEEL good, but it WAS good--for us.
When we focus on the subject of feelings regarding sin--and homosexuality IS sin--it doesn’t matter how condemnation or conviction makes you feel. IT’S SUPPOSED TO HURT.
Because you are not a Christian, you have subjected yourself to condemnation from the devil; it doesn’t come from God.
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.”
Condemnation produces negative emotions without hope; it’s a sign that you should change your ways. And then there’s conviction.
Conviction a.k.a. "godly sorrow" is for our benefit and given to those who are Christians and walk NOT according to the flesh (Romans 8:1).
“For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.”
So if you’re being made to feel bad about your lifestyle, consider it a gift: repent, change your ways, and give your life to God to escape the only thing the world has to offer you: death.
And by the way, God chastens those He loves so you can’t say it’s not love when someone like me tries to share the truth of the Gospel with you regarding an LGBQT lifestyle or any other sin.
“For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives.”
It would be “bad fruit” on the Christian’s part to not speak the truth in love.
Banquet Euaion
2) Sexual orientation is a pretty new concept.
The phrase “sexual orientation” may be new, but the concept is not. Seriously, let’s not all pretend we didn’t learn about the Greco-Roman classics somewhere between middle school and college and that we didn’t learn that there were those who had same sex attractions. Achilles and Patroclus. Alexander the Great. Hello!! These were famous Grecian homosexuals, bisexuals at best. Heck, maybe even panssexuals. Sappho is one of the earliest if not the earliest poetic records of lesbianism. The very term “lesbian” comes from the name of her island and its patron god, “Lesbos.”
Nisos and Euryalos, The Louvre
Rome, under emperors like Caligula and Nero, was rife with sexual immorality of all sorts. Men who practiced homosexuality were still seen as manly if they were the “giver” and not “receivers,” much like in Viking culture and even modern gang/prison culture today. Those who “received” were (are) usually young men and boys (including prepubescent boys) as well as slaves/prostitutes and seen as weak(er). Many, if not all of the emperors, took male lovers.
Shah Abbas and Wine Boy
In East Asia, homosexuality was quite common.
Mastaba of Niankhkhum and Khnumhotep embrace
Even Ancient Egypt is not free from homosexuality and this picture was of a couple who lived around 2400 B.C. The proof of homosexual orientation is there in the relics and literature of the ancient world if you care to see it.
And in the Bible itself, quite obviously if God via Moses commanded that man should not lie with a man, it was because there were men who were attracted to doing so. The Hebrews may not have had a word to describe homosexuality or lesbianism, etc., but that doesn’t mean the concept didn’t exist in ancient life, especially regarding pagan worship. (See #7.)
“If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”
“Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”
The concept in Leviticus (written thousands of years ago) and Romans (written about two thousand years ago) is pretty darn clear: sleeping with a person of the same gender is an abomination, unclean, lustful, dishonorable, deceptive, vile, against nature (unnatural), shameful, and deserving of a (death) penalty. No need to label “homosexuality, “lesbianism,” “bisexuality,” “pansexuality,” or any other title; the concept is made abundantly clear; a blind man could see it.
Tim Gunn, Project Runway, gay celibate man
3) Celibacy is a gift, not a mandate.
This passage (referring to I Corinthians 7), is taken ENTIRELY out of context. Being gay and celibate in the Old Testament, might have been overlooked if one was able to keep it hidden. You can’t be stoned for something you haven’t been caught for or exposed of, but God knows the heart.
“For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
And while the gay celibate person would have undoubtedly received their judgement after death, in the New Testament we are not judged merely on our actions, we are judged by our thoughts.
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, “You shall not commit adultery.” But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ”
So you can be celibate all you want to, but if your heart is attracted to the same-sex, if you desire to have sex with someone of the same-sex--even if you never act on it--you are guilty of that sin as if you had committed it.
People often embrace grace like it’s easy; grace is not easy. Because every little thought of our mind and heart could be deemed as evil, even if you appear to be a fine, moral, upstanding individual. Grace is harder than the Law, but God says, “my grace is sufficient.”
I’ll use the famous Tim Gunn as an example. Gunn, most famous for his role on Project Runway is gay--and celibate. And while Tim may never have slept with a man for all I know, the desire of his heart--at least regarding sexual attraction--is evil. Even Stevie Wonder could see that Tim Gunn is gay.
But Desiree! How can you say this??
VERY EASILY.
We are to bring ALL of our thoughts captive to the Word of God and punish ALL disobedience within ourselves!
“For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal [fleshly] but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds [deeply rooted mindsets], casting down arguments [ungodly arguments, ideas, and concepts] and every high thing [imaginations] that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ [What does the Word of God say?], and being ready to punish all disobedience [crucify the flesh, cast out the devil] when your obedience is fulfilled.”
We are also to renew our minds daily.
“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”
Our bodies our living sacrifices, meant to be walking, living, breathing tabernacles of the holy Spirit of God. So how dare we sully these our tabernacles--God’s tabernacles--with the uncleanness and “vile passions” that define homosexuality, no matter if you are committed to one partner or sleep with whomever you find based on the band of their underwear? And in an effort to maintain clean tabernacles, we are to “be transformed by the renewing of our minds.”
This is especially key for those struggling with any former LGBQT lifestyle and attractions. If you have been saved, delivered, and set free, OWN IT!! He whom the Son sets free IS free indeed! Yet if you don’t make it a point to renew your mind with the Word of God, then you put yourself at grave risk of being subjected to this spirit of perversion again and when he’s allowed back in your life, he’ll bring seven more spirits worse than himself and set up shop!!
I don’t believe all this nonsense about electing celibate, gay bishops or being a Christian and gay. IT’S NOT POSSIBLE. And Paul never said, “You know what, forget all that mess I said in Romans 1, my bad. Think whatever you want, just don’t act on your emotions and you’ll be good.” NO!
Whereas NKJV says “the homosexuals” won’t inherit the Kingdom, the KJV says the effeminate won’t inherit it.
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
You can be “sweet,” “fruity” (as the Arielle and Matthew alluded to in the video), and “have a little too much sugar in your tank,” and still have the pretense of being straight--like many men in the church, namely the music departments *side eye* you know who I’m talking about--but guess what: you’re still going to Hell if you don’t get right! Celibacy won’t help you then!
Lot, his daughters, and his wife fleeing the destruction of Sodom
4) Most people thought Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for being gay, but they were REALLY destroyed because of their arrogance and apathy toward the poor.
This is the only point Matthew and Arielle mention that is HALF-WAY true, but in the words of Brandy, “almost doesn’t count.” Ezekiel 16:49 states:
“Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: she and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”
But when the LGBQT activists TRY to use this as their “scriptural backing,” they conveniently skip over the very next verse which reads:
“And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.”
What was this great abomination?? HOMOSEXUALITY. That is ONE scripture out of several that states a so-called other, “true” reasoning for Sodom and Gomorrah’s destruction. But this is the problem with so many of these liberal theologians: they become liberal with the Word of God and equally liberal with the interpretations thereof.
You can’t cherry-pick the Bible and create doctrines based on those cherry-picked verses; you have to take the ENTIRE Bible IN CONTEXT to decipher what the Spirit of God truly intended. If you take the Word of God in pieces instead of whole, you create doctrines of devils, not the true Gospel of the Kingdom.
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron…”
*SIDENOTE: When Vines, in the video, refers to the “attempted gang rape,” he can’t even get that story straight (no pun intended). The men of Sodom tried to rape, not two men, but two ANGELS, who came to the aid of Lot and his family via the intercession of Abraham. Read the full story for yourself in Genesis 18:16-19:29. If Vines can’t even get such a simply (and horrific) Bible story correct, how can we honestly trust him to teach us what the Bible “really” says about something so wicked, yet prevalent as homosexuality?
Moses as classically portrayed by Charlton Heston bearing the Ten Commandments a.k.a. the Moral Law of God--which still applies
5) Leviticus condemns [male] same-sex intercourse, but Leviticus doesn’t apply to Christians as moral law.
Complete and utter BULL. Hath Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law?? Yes. Does that give us an excuse to go on sinning? No. In fact, these two activists have it all backwards: the Moral Laws are the only thing left from the Law that still applies. Things like men having goatees, women wearing pixie cuts, eating shrimp, and wearing mixed fabrics, no longer apply. Sanctification unto God was the whole point of those societal and dietary laws anyway. And although we no longer put people to death ourselves (i.e. stoning, burning, etc.), the wages of sin IS death (Romans 6:23). So to say that the moral laws no longer apply to us as Christians partaking of the New Covenant is absolute poppycock.
The deception of gay love vs. lust. Newsflash: They're both lust!
6) Paul condemns same-sex LUST, not same-sex LOVE.
This is another severe twisting of the Scripture. Those who identify as gay Christians (an oxymoron to say the least) differentiate between a committed gay relationship from being gay and promiscuous. God does not. Romans 1 doesn’t differentiate between two men or two women lying together in commitment from those lying together in a gay, one night stand. It just calls the very act itself vile and unclean and “deserving of death.” To God, all same-sex attraction, sexual behaviour, and relationships are an abomination; He never contradicts Himself once. He can’t! He’s God and He changes not.
7) The term “homosexual” didn’t even appear until 1892.
This is about as sane a claim as Planned Parenthood’s statement in their pastoral letter that the word "abortion" isn’t in the Bible. As stated in #2, The phrase “homosexual” may be new, but the concept is not. And you know I’ve got proof to back up my claims.
First, as already discussed, the Bible--Old and New Testament--condemns the described/defined behaviour of homosexuality, lesbianism, and any other sexual immorality.
Second, the term “sodomite” IS found in the Bible.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
“But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for SODOMITES, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.”
These passages define sodomites a.k.a. gay men as “unrighteous,” “lawless,” “insubordinate,” “ungodly,” “sinners,” “unholy,” “profane,” and states that they will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God and can thus, NOT be Christians.
Third, the term “perverted persons” defined as “qadesh,” “qeshah,” and “qedeshim” ARE found in the Bible.
“Hebrew qadesh, that is, one practicing sodomy and prostitution in religious rituals.”
“There shall be no ritual harlot [qedeshah] of the daughters of Israel, or a perverted one [qadesh] of the sons of Israel. You shall not bring the wages of a harlot or the price of a dog to the house of the Lord your God for any vowed offering, for both of these are an abomination to the Lord your God. ”
“For they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars, and wooden images on every high hill and under every green tree. And there were also perverted persons [qadesh] in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the Lord had cast out before the children of Israel.”
“Asa did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did his father David. And he banished the perverted persons [qedeshim] from the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”
“And the rest of the perverted persons [qadesh], who remained in the days of his father Asa, he banished from the land.”
“Then he tore down the ritual booths of the perverted persons [qedeshim] that were in the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the wooden image.”
“But the hypocrites in heart store up wrath; they do not cry for help when He binds them. They die in youth, and their life ends among the perverted persons. ”
EVERY.SINGLE.ONE of these references (and I’ve listed every one mentioned in the NKJV) ties the existence and practicers of sodomy to idle worship. And while I’m positive that Matthew Vines would separate this from “loving, committed” same-sex relationships, there is no difference at the core. Romans 1 breaks this down beautifully.
“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality...who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. ”
Idolatry isn’t just the worship of stone, wood, and metal statues. It’s the worship of anything and anyone that’s not God almighty. Humanism is idolatry because it elevates the human being (flesh) above God or to the same level as God. Homosexuality and similar practices are idolatry because they elevate unclean, same-sex desires above the Word and ordinances of God. And yes, even the stubbornness to insist on your own way, or in this case, that you were “born this way,” is idolatry.
“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. ”
Most clearly, all of these preposterous claims are definite proof that Arielle only “studied the Bible a bit in college.” I studied, George MacDonald, Humanities, and French “a bit” in college too. But that by no means makes me an expert, capable of teaching others the “true” nature of the subjects listed. It is also proof that Matthew Vines is woefully deceived.
They blame the Biblical condemnation of homosexuality on recent scholars, but his quarrel is entirely without basic logic.
Arielle claims these are “just seven out of many Bible-based reasons, for/in favour of same-sex relationships.” I’d LOVE to know what other misconstrued verses she twists to her diabolical purposes.
A true Christian would NEVER, I repeat NEVER, support homosexuality or sexual immorality in any form. This includes, but is not limited to:
Fornication
Adultery
Bisexuality
Homosexuality/Lesbianism
Panssexuality
Gay/Lesbian "Marriage"
Polygamy
Polyamory (Multiple marriage partners, i.e. 2 husbands and 3 wives, one "marriage")
Incest
Pedophilia
Sex with Demons (Incubi, Succubi)
Necrophilia (sex with the dead)
Bestiality/Zoophilia (sex with animals)
It doesn’t matter how committed you say you are, if you FEEL you were “born this way,” if it was an experiment, if it was part of your fraternity hazing, if an angel from heaven flew down and told you it was right, ALL SEXUAL IMMORALITY IS WRONG. God has set healthy parameters for the practice of the only safe sex possible and that consists of one adult man and one adult woman united in marriage as it was with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Anyone who would tell you otherwise is deceived at best or possessed by a devil at worst. Choose your same-sex desires or choose the Word of God; but you cannot choose both.
